tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post115255704860270192..comments2023-10-24T11:39:29.857-04:00Comments on the inconsistent adopted: g13http://www.blogger.com/profile/13856920828414078560noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152737407830093762006-07-12T16:50:00.000-04:002006-07-12T16:50:00.000-04:00ok, kidpositive, you smartass:)jason, if you would...ok, kidpositive, you smartass:)<BR/><BR/>jason, if you would like to write a review of <I>reformission rev</I> i would be happy to post it. i have little doubt that it would provoke a good bit of healthy discussion. i hope you take me up on this limited time offer by shooting your review to me at gentry13@gmail.com.g13https://www.blogger.com/profile/13856920828414078560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152737155667359712006-07-12T16:45:00.000-04:002006-07-12T16:45:00.000-04:00yeah i already tried that with pat robertson. it ...yeah i already tried that with pat robertson. it doesn't work.kidpositivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18014095294196471690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152651220048995752006-07-11T16:53:00.000-04:002006-07-11T16:53:00.000-04:00To those that have contributed to this thread, ple...To those that have contributed to this thread, please consider doing two things.<BR/><BR/>1) Read Mark Driscoll's new book, Confessions of a Reformission Rev.: Hard Lessons from an Emerging Missional Church <BR/><BR/>2) Contextualize his quote and interview a bit more within his own story and personality<BR/><BR/>I have done both in the past week and have gained insight and appreciation.<BR/><BR/>So, try those two things. Then let's continue the conversation.Brodeur Familyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07602171906300029460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152642631538540102006-07-11T14:30:00.000-04:002006-07-11T14:30:00.000-04:00i've seen a number of statements leaving mark dris...i've seen a number of statements leaving mark driscoll's mouth over the past year. i don't know him. but i have a few friends that do know him and have known him over the years, since the beginning of emergent. let me go on the record as saying that mark driscoll is the type of person who is continually encouraging me away from the christian faith. his statements do NOTHING to encourage me towards following Jesus. i wish he'd shut his mouth.kidpositivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18014095294196471690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152639837677956492006-07-11T13:43:00.000-04:002006-07-11T13:43:00.000-04:00*look, when it comes to reformed theology, i simpl...*look, when it comes to reformed theology, i simply believe we should accept what the bible says. point blank. god said it. i believe it. that settles it.*<BR/><BR/>can God strike you with lightning through a computer? (see what a high view i have of the sovereignty of God!) i should take off my headphones...<BR/><BR/>now gentry, all fundamentalist joking aside, that's a very interesting point you bring up about marginalized peoples and reformed thinking. i wonder how reformed missionaries approach this topic and what they've learned from years of labor in these type places? anybody have any references on this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152639203502628342006-07-11T13:33:00.000-04:002006-07-11T13:33:00.000-04:00g13, are you referring to the JEPUSA of Jesus Peop...g13, are you referring to the JEPUSA of Jesus People USA in Chicago? (from whence came Glen Kaiser and the Resurrection Band- yes I am showing my age)Anyway, very cool reference. Michael of TNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152627556831561952006-07-11T10:19:00.000-04:002006-07-11T10:19:00.000-04:00No shit storm coming from me... the position of "b...No shit storm coming from me... the position of "black & white critical certainty" is also one of my biggest concerns about a lot of reformed folks... always has been.<BR/><BR/>I like that you used the term "lens" instead of "theology." It seems more useful. All of our "God Talk" is inevitably framed by our views, beliefs, hopes, fears, etc. Honestly, I'm not sure that my lens is very reformed, though my congregation does have a reformed view. Anyway, thanks again for the post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152623819188693232006-07-11T09:16:00.000-04:002006-07-11T09:16:00.000-04:00"just black & white critical certainty." the manne..."just black & white critical certainty." <BR/><BR/>the manner in which you framed your comment reminded me of one of my primary concerns about the reformed tradition. i have yet to come across a poor, marginalized or oppressed group of Christians that view the world through the reformed lens. that leads me to wonder whether the reformed tradition, with all its banter about God being the preordinate cause of everything (including genocide, natural calamities and the startling success of <I>american idol</I>), somehow supports the economic, political and intellectual primacy that we westerners seem to assume as a birthright. <BR/><BR/>as the center of Christendom continues its shift towards the global south it will be interesting to see how our theological systems and sociological assumptions about God change. somehow i doubt whether countries like Brazil or the Philippines are going to become strongholds of reformed theology.<BR/><BR/>i readily admit this is a non-sequitur and poorly developed thought. let the shit storm begin!g13https://www.blogger.com/profile/13856920828414078560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152622586911451542006-07-11T08:56:00.000-04:002006-07-11T08:56:00.000-04:00I'm glad I'm not alone in my concern about the quo...I'm glad I'm not alone in my concern about the quote in the interview. As a long-time member of a reformed congregation, it continues to frustrate me when the verbal tool of choice is the sledge hammer... no subtlety, no mystery... just BAM!!! - black & white critical certainty.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your thoughts. Though he certainly had a sledge hammer in his belt as well, I'm reminded that Jesus once used mud as his tool of choice... and would have enjoyed drinking that beer with you while you watched the game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152590855278536012006-07-11T00:07:00.000-04:002006-07-11T00:07:00.000-04:00"last night turned it over time and again in my he..."last night turned it over time and again in my head as i drank beer, chased it with wine and alternately stared at sunday night baseball and the moon (hence, the bad poetry that precedes this post)"<BR/><BR/>freaking priceless. <BR/><BR/>sweeping the nation huh?<BR/><BR/>i hope we get as cool as pogo sticks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152576640539868882006-07-10T20:10:00.000-04:002006-07-10T20:10:00.000-04:00anon,not to start an argument with an anonymous pe...anon,<BR/><BR/>not to start an argument with an anonymous person but...<BR/><BR/>i like the evil and awful part. it is very augustinian and edwardian.<BR/><BR/>but the part i would drop is the <BR/>"at the same time when you believe in Jesus"<BR/><BR/>i was under the impression that good Jesus loved be before I believed in him... see Eph and other proof texts.Mike Murrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17953216797987615864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152575515222566882006-07-10T19:51:00.000-04:002006-07-10T19:51:00.000-04:00I've been tossing around the following for what is...I've been tossing around the following for what is the gospel ... you're far more evil and awful than you could even dream of and far more loved and accepted by God than you could imagine at the same time when you believe in Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3604708.post-1152557288789099112006-07-10T14:48:00.000-04:002006-07-10T14:48:00.000-04:00for a more coherent response to driscoll's comment...for a more coherent response to driscoll's comments and for a wonderful expression of the podcast sensation that is sweeping the nation, visit <A HREF="http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/?p=1001#comments" REL="nofollow">josh brown's blog</A>.g13https://www.blogger.com/profile/13856920828414078560noreply@blogger.com